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From: "Urukundo Evangéline evurukundo@yahoo.fr [Democracy_Human_Rights]" <Democracy_Human_Rights@yahoogroupes.fr>
Date: October 3, 2016 at 6:09:36 AM EDT
To: Democracy_Human_Rights@yahoogroupes.fr
Subject: Re: *DHR* Re: Mureke guhakwa ku babiciye iri kuri youtube
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Amahoro basangirangendo!Nanjye nunge mury'abandi nti Nkiko reka nkwibarize;Mbanjye kugusuhuza Nkiko wo ku Kabusunzu hamwe izo muri MDR zabyariye amahari (Ariko simvuze ko wabigizemo uruhare kuko ntanamashyaka wabagamo)!!Komera Nkiko wari mubambere bashinze FDU, ukayimaramo imyaka hafi icumi (Ariko icyo gihe FDRL ntabwo yari ingabo zayo bije nyume y'uko uyivuyemo)Komera Nkiko wafatanyije n'abandi bagabo mukishakamo Umugore w'intwali mukamutuma ku itabaro, (Ariko wowe washakaga kumuherekeza nuko bitagushobokeye Kubera impamvu zawe bwite, nta bugwari tukuziho)Komera cyane Nkiko washwishurije abitwa ba Ndahayo na Mberabahizi bwacya ukabasanga (Hari abakeka ko ari ukugundira ubutegetsi ko wifuzaga aho uguma munzego zo hejuru iyo ariko barakubeshyera)Komera nkiko utarahwemye kugaragaza ko fite ibimenyetso bifatika ko Habyalimana n'ubutegetsi bwe aribwo bwateguye bukanashyira mubikorwa jenoside yakorewe abatutsi, ariko iyo myemerere ikaba yaratwawe n'inkubiri kuko inkingi zitayishakaga.None ngaruke kutubazo twanjye nka tubiri:1. Ese Ingabire agera kugisozi ijambo yavuze ko ryemeraga jenoside y'abatutsi, yaba yarivugiraga kugiti cya ntabwo yavugiraga ishyaka ry'abamutumye bagasigara bamarana? cyangwa yavugiraga igice cyahise gitwarwa n'inkubiri?None se ko ugirauti FDu ntiyemera ko ubutegetsi bwariho bwateguye jenoside, kandi kugira ngo ubwicanyi bwitwe jenoside, imwe muri conditions nuko buba bwateguwe na "LETA"; iyo ntiyaba ari contradiction? Niba bemera jenoside, byanze bikunze bemera ko ubutegetsi bwariho bwayigizemo uruhare; bitabaye ibyo ahubwo baba bayihakana, ibyo rero byaba ari ikindi kibazo.2. Mu myaka wamaze muri FDU, ndetse n'iminsi mike wakoranye na Kayumba Nyamwasa et compagnie, Conscience yawe yakubwiraga iki? kuki utigeze ugira des sorties nk'izi ukoze nyuma yo gutwarwa nako yo gushinga inkubiri?3. Ese gutinda cyane kuri ibi, ntabwo byaba ariicenga rya politiki yo kujijisha abantu no gushaka gucuruza amaraso n'uduhanga tw'abahutu bishwe na FPR, nkuko nayo ibyaza umusaruro amaraso n'uduhanga by'abatutsi bazize jenoside?Reka ne kurambirana ubwo mugihe ngitegereje icyo uzantangariza, mbe nkubwiye ko haba wowe n'inkubiri haba n'abo wasize inyuma muri FDU Inkingi, haba n'ibice byo muri RNC buri wese muri mwe ateruramo ibibindi dore ko abahutu mudahakirijwe ntamahoro muba mufite (ibi ndabivugira kuri kagatangazo kihuse mwanditse mutumira ba Rudasingwa na Musonera ngo mufatanye na mbere yuko Bagaragaza neza aho politiki yabo izerekeza; burya nabasomyemo akantu kameze nko gusahurira munduru; uretse ko idée y'ubufatanye njye ndayishyigikiye!)Ngaruke kugitekerezo cyanjye, mwese Opposition ya kagame murafite indwara itarabonerwa umuvuzi, ndetse n'ibi mwirukamo ngo murarwanya Kagamé kandi namwe mutazi neza iko muhagaze , (ndiseguye kumvugo ngiye gukoresha) Ni nk'agasore kajya kwihererana ifoto y'umukobwa kakikinisha, kakarangiza kavuga ngo karamurongoye.Tugire Amahoro n'InyurabwegeLe Lundi 3 octobre 2016 2h29, "Nzinink nzinink@yahoo.com [Democracy_Human_Rights]" <Democracy_Human_Rights@yahoogroupes.fr> a écrit :
Bwana Nkiko uragira uti:"Umunsi rero wumvise ko FDU-Inkingi yavuze ko yemera jenoside yakorewe abatutsi [igakorwa] n'ingoma ya MRND/CDR ya Habyarimana, ukwumva ko abo ba FDRL bo bagumye ku yandi mahame, icyo gihe uzavuge koko ko imwe atari branche politique, indi atari branche militaire y'iya mbere".Mu minsi ishize nakweretse inyandiko zivuga zizataziguye ko FDU yemera jenoside yakorewe abatutsi.Uribuka uko wansubije?Waravuze ngo ariya matangazo yose "nitwe" twayateguraga ["nitwe" nahise numva ko bivuga ibikomerezwa byo muri MN-Inkubiri].Ngirango uribuka ko kuva FDU yashingwa kugeza ejo bundi wowe na bagenzi bawe mushinze Inkubiri, wari mu bayobozi b'imena ba FDU.Niba ibikubiye mu nyandiko zose za FDU ari ibitekerezo "byanyu", kuva aho muviriye muri FDU wampa urugero rumwe rukumbi rw'ihame rya FDU abayobozi bashya ba FDU bavuguruye bagamije kwitandukanya n'ibitekerezo "byanyu", bityo akaba ari ho uhera ushinja FDU guhakana/gupfobya jenoside yakorewe abatutsi?Ikindi kintu wagombye gusobanurira abanyarwanda ni iki:Kuki usaba FDU kwitandukanya na MRND (iregwa gukora jenoside yakorewe abatutsi) ariko ntusabe New RNC/RNC kwitandukanya na RPF (iregwa gukora genoside yakorewe abahutu)?Uzabaririze hose uzasanga yaba Rudasingwa, yaba Kayumba, Musonera,etc. nta n'umwe muri bariya bantu bahoze muri RPF uvuga ko RPF yari ifite umugambi wo gutsemba abahutu.Kubyerekeye MRND ngira ngo urabizi neza ko yaba TPIR (Loni) yaba RPF, bose kugeza ubu babuze gihamya ko MRND yari ifite umugambi wo gutsemba abatutsi.Niba rero utabogamiye kuri New RNC, erura usabe mushuti wawe Rudasigwa na bagenzi be kwerura bagashinja RPF gutsemba abahutu.Niba nta butwari ufite bwo kubikora, hita ufasha hasi MRND ukora amalisiti y'abicanyi waba uzi bahoze muri MRND nk'uko bagenzi bawe bo muri New RNC ari ko babigenje ubwo batangazaga ilisiti y'abantu ngo bagomba kubazwa jenoside yakorewe abahutu (ikozwe na RPF).Gira amahoro.NB: Iyi ngingo sinyigarukaho.
From: Umunsi <umunsi@bluewin.ch>
To: "collectifcres@googlegroups.com" <collectifcres@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 2, 2016 1:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Collectif CRES], Fw: Mureke guhakwa ku babiciye iri kuri youtube
Bwana Nzinink,Nta gishya mvuze muri ibi. Uzi impaka zabaye muri FDU mu gihe cya CPR cy'ukwitandukanya na FDRL ya Mudacumura, ukanamenya ko FDU y'ubu ari akana ka RDR kuzuye, ukanongeraho ugucikamo kabiri kwa FDRL mo kabiri mu minsi ishize, ntiwagombye kubaza icyo kibazo. Nta gishya rero.Umunsi rero wumvise ko FDU Inkingi yavuze ko yemera jenoside yakorewe abatutsi n'ingoma ya MRND/CDR ya Habyarimana, ukwumva ko abo ba FDRL bo bagumye ku yandi mahame, icyo gihe uzavuge koko ko imwe atari branche politique, indi atari branche militaire y'iya mbere.Kabeho."Iyo mvuga rero, nti ishyaka nka FDU Inkingi n'ingabo zabo za FDLR....", Nkiko Nsengimana.Ibi bintu njye ndabona ari agahoma munwa.Mme Ingabire mu byo aregwa na RPF harimo gushinga umutwe wa gisirikare ugizwe n'ahoze muri FDLR.Bwana Nkiko, wadushyirira ahagaragara gihamya ko FDLR ari igisikari cya FDU?Mbaye ngushimiye.Izi ngabo za FDLR njye mbona zaragowe. Uyu munsi uravuga ko ari iza FDU, mu gihe ejo zari iza Kayumba bukeye bwahi zikaba iza Rukokoma. Igitangaje muri ibi byose ni uko na MN-Inkubiri yawe nayo nabonye muri iyi minsi bivugwa ko irimo kugera FDLR amajanja!Mfite rwose amatsiko yo kumenya neza ikintu kihishe inyuma y'iri sisibiranyarya hato na hato kandi ridakwiye ku muntu uzwi ko ari inararibonye mu bya politiki.Nzinink
On Oct 1, 2016, at 5:13 PM, Umunsi umunsi@bluewin.ch [AVM_Populi] <AVM_Populi@yahoogroupes.fr> wrote:--Munyabagisha uraho! Ngushimiye iki kibazo umbajije. Nyemerera ngusubize.Uragira uti abatwiciye ni bande.Abatwiciye ni ingoma ya MRND/CDR ya Habyarimana n'inyeshyamba za FPR n'ingoma ya FPR ya Kagame.Abatwiciye b'ingoma ya MRND/CDR ya Habyarimana, indege yarimo imaze guhanurwa na FPR, biraye mu batutsi bari mu gihugu n'abataravugaga rumwe barabatsemba. Ibyo narabibonye, nawe kandi warabibonye. Dukomoka hamwe wabonye ko nta rindi bendera ryari riri i Gitarama uretse nyine irya MRND na CDR. Wabonye amahano n'amarorerwa yakoreshejwe na Kalisiti Nzabonimana amaze kugera iwacu i Gitarama. Mbere y'aho, imihoro yarengeraga abatutsi yarushaga imbaraga iyashakaga kubarimbura. Nyuma aho haziye imbunda z'abo, ibintu byahinduye isura, amahano aragwa, ariyo yiswe itsembabwoko ry'abatutsi. Mu Rwanda ngo iryo jambo barisimbuje irindi ryitwa jenoside. Sinzi impamvu kandi ijambo itsembabwoko ryumvisha uburemere bw'amahano yaguye mu gihugu.Iyo mvuga rero, nti ishyaka nka FDU Inkingi n'ingabo zabo za FDRL biyobowe n'abonse ingoma ya Habyarimana, nti nimutinyuke, niba koko muharanira abanyarwanda, muvuge ko itsembabwoko ry'abatutsi ryakozwe n'ingoma ya Habyarimana. Nibo mbambwira ngo nimureke guhakwa ku babiciye kuko iyo ngoma yishe abanyarwanda, kandi abatutsi bari mu gihugu ni abanyarwanda buzuye. Abo bantubo buri FDU, nibatabikora ubwo uzamenya uruhare baherereyemo.Abatwiciye bandi ni inyeshyamba za FPR n'ingoma ya FPR na Kagame.Aha twagize amahirwe akomeye umuntu nka Rudasingwa Theogene warwanye urugamba mu mirimo bamushinze, akaba umunyamabanga mukuru wa FPR, abihamya, kandi akavuga ko ingoma yonse yakoze itsembabwoko ry'abahutu. Ikindi gikomeye kandi gishya n'uko yatubwiye ba nyempara b'iryo tsembatsemba, barimo Kagame na Kayumba.Iyo mvuga rero nti nimureke guhakwa ku babiciye, mbambwira abanyarwanda bari mu gihugu nti, iyo ngoma yamennye amaraso y'abanyarwanda, cyane cyane y'abahutu, mugire ubutwari, iyi ngoma yabiciye mwihomaho, n'ejo ntizabacira akari urutega, muyegukeho, muyirwanye, nta mpuhwe na rimwe izabagirira, nkuko yamennye amaraso y'abanyu, ntizatinya kumena n'ayanyu.Nashakaga kandi kubwira abihoma inyuma ya Kayumba Nyamwasa, bo mw'ishyaka rya RNC, ngo bamwegukeho, bamuzibukire kuva bamenye ko ari mubari kw'isonga ryo kumena amaraso no gukora amahano y'itsembabwoko ry'abahutu.Icyakora naravuze nti Kayna yemeye ko we bwite yakoze ayo mahano, bikaba bimubabaje, ariko akemera nk'icyiru kudufasha guhirika iriya ngoma, twabyakira.Yaba atabyemeye, bikavuga ko agifite gahunda yo kwimakaza ubwoko bumwe, agishaka gutsemba ubundi.Munyabagisha unyumva uranyumvise?Nkiko Nsengimana"Mureke guhakwa ku babiciye" (nkiko)
N-kubahwa Nkiko, nyemerera nkubaze tuganire.
1- uguze uti "mureke", ugira ngo DUkore iki?Narasomye ngutega amatwi aliko sinasobanukirwa ku ngingo nyinshi, entre autres abatwiciye uvuga ni bande. Urujijo rushobora kuba rushamitse ku mayobera y.amaculi y.intwali n.inzigo. car i rwanda ndetse n.ahandi les fossoyeurs des uns sont des heros des autres.Unfashije gusobanukurwa " ababiciye" abo ali bo waba ugize neza
2- Hali aho usa n.ushimangira ibyavuzwe n.abatabazwa ubushishozi nka wa munya Cote d.Ivoire Degni. N.ubwo koko icuo gihe mu Rwanda halimo kuba genocide y.abiswe n.abiyita abatutsi, mvuze mvuga abiswe muli rusange, imibare yabaye ikirangirire ivuga ko nta mututsi ukuba i rwanda wali urulimo muli 94 avrl mai. 850k! Arusha nawe wagiye gutangayo isesengura ry.aliya mahano. Nasomye ko wasobanuliye inkongoro mu ngoro y'intsinzi (Nuremberg) ko genocide yateguwe n.abaregwagwa. Ubu uretse kuli Kagame n.abahutu be (abo ahatse na na kadihirambetezi), kwemeza biliya nyuma y.ibyigaragaza byaba bihatse kugira nkana byo gutinya urumuli rw.umunsi.
3- Uti "mureke..."!Mu"!? Iyo byibuze wandika Tu! Nibyo koko mureke tuve mu magambo, tujye mu mudiho bitsli ibyo gushyenga no gushyayaya- duhaguruke duhangamure urwanda aho Rudahigwa yasize arumanitse, ni ukuvuga mu makimbirane y.injiji.Abatwiciye ni bo bicanyi, twe ntituli abicanyi. Baratwiciye bica ku babo, bo na bo nyaho bahuliye. Tubareke rero. Ahubwo dusesengure dushikamye iicyabakukiyemo kikabatera imhumeko y.ubwicanyi. bimbanye byinshi reka mhinire aha.
Best regards / Tout.pour le meilleur / Imhagarike!
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