Mukomere.
Njye ndemeranya na JB nkongera ho ko
umuturange/abaturage bivuga peuple/ people mu Gifaransa no mu Cyongereza.
Umuntu utabyumva atyo ni we wagombye kutubwira uko we abyumva maze tukabiganira ho.
Nzinink
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"Hate Cannot Drive Out Hate. Only Love Can Do That", Dr. Martin Luther King.
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Cher Jean Bosco
Je ne suis aucunement surpris par ta sage réaction . Néanmoins je constate que tu établis une équivalence et que tu définis ensuite.On m'avait souvent dit que c'est ce qui se passe toujours quand on abuse de "google".Avec toi je crois en avoir une preuve nette.Porte-toi bien!PS: j'espère que ça ne t'as pas beaucoup fatigué.
Oh! La! La!,
Jean Mbanda,Quelle complication inutile! Entendez par Abaturage tout simplement "le citoyen du monde" dont voici la définition:citoyen du monde , locution
Le samedi 18 juin 2016, Jean Mbanda mbandajean@yahoo.fr [Democracy_Human_Rights] <Democracy_Human_Rights@yahoogroupes.fr> a écrit :Mukibaho se Bavandimwe, Benegihugu, Banyabugingo namwe mwese mwibona nk'abacikacumu?
Nakurikiye nitonze ibi biganiro aliko ngerageza kwirinda kubyinjiramo kuko njye iby'amoko data witwaga Karera yabinsonauriye ukundi.Igituma mbandikiye nagirango mpereye ku buryo mon frère et néanmoins ami Guillaume arangije son dernier commentaire, mbereke ko uburyo amagambo hafi ya yose dukoresha muli politiki akoreshwa nabi kandi bikaba akarande.Guillaume arangije avuga ati:"...Ikibazo ni imyifatire yacu nk'abaturage".Ikibazo nahise nibaza nti ese njyewe usoma ibi ndi "umuturage" Guilaume avuga? Ese Guillaume we aribona muli uriya "muturage" avuga? Ese umuntu umaze imyaka irenga icumi atuye hanze y'Igihugu runaka ashobora kwiyita "umuturage w'icyo gihugu?Byatumye ngaruka kw'itandukaniro ryaba riri hagati y'ay'amagambo akurikira uko ali atanu:1°) Gakondo2°) Umwimukira3°) Umuturage4°) Umunyagihugu n'5°) UmwenegihuguKuli mwe musanga ali rihe jambo ryakagomye GUKORESHWA muli iriya nteruro ya Guillaume?Mbaye mbashimiye
Komera Bwana Habyalimana Janvier;Uragira uti: 'Ari uko bimeze, umuntu yakwibaza ati kuki Premier Ministre Murekezi atahitamo ubwoko(idini) ashaka?Ureste ko bitoroshye: ntabwo umuhutu yavuga ngo kuva ubu mbaye umututsi ngo bishoboke.Cyangwa ngo umututsi ahinduke umutwa. (Janvier).Aha urivuguruza. Premier Ministre Murekezi yabivuze ku mugaragaro ku manywa y'ihangu ko we ari umututsi. Kandi si we wenyine wahinduye ubwoko mu bihe bya vuba. Abandi twavuga ni Col. Nsekalije na Col. Uwihoreye. Birashoboka rero ko umuntu wiyitaga umuhutu, cyangwa se wari uzwi nk'umuhutu yahindura ubwoko. Ngira ngo urabizi ko gihe cy'Ubwami hariho kwihutura. Ku ngoma za Kayibanda na Habyarimana nazo, hari benshi bari bazwi nk'abatutsi bahinduye ubwoko bagahabwa indangamuntu yanditsemo Hutu. Kuva kera rero kugeza ubu, mu Rwanda birasanzwe ko abantu bahindura ubwoko. Nta gishya kirimo. Impaka zakurikiye coming out ya Prime Minister Murekezi avuga ko ari umututsi nirinze kuzinjiramo kubera ko numva ari uburenganzira bwe. None se niba Murekezi abona ko guhindura ubwoko bimufitiye inyungu, ni kuki atabikora. None se wabuza umuntu gukora ibiri mu nyungu ze kandi bitabujiwe n'amategeko?Ahari ka mugobeko, ni uko kuvuga ngo uhinduye ubwoko byo ubwabyo ntacyo byakumarira hatari ubutegetsi buguha inyungu zijyanye no guhindura ubwoko. Ubu mu Rwanda uwashaka guhindura ubwoko Kagame ashobora kubimwangira ndetse akanabimuhanira amurega gupfobya jenoside. Ni nayo mpamvu benshi badahindura ubwoko. Ubwoko bwemewe n'umutegetsi nibwo nise ethnie politique, ariyo igomba gucika byanze bikunze kugira ngo abanyarwanda tubane mu mahoro. Naho ubwoko umuntu yumva arimo (ethnie auto-identitaire), ntacyo butwaye ni affaire privée. Ubwoko abo muri kumwe bagutwerera (ethnie sociale) nabwo ubwabo ntacyo butwaye kuko abagutwerera ubwoko nta burenganzira bwawe babangamira hatari umutegetsi ubibashyigikiyemo.Urongera uti: 'Ni nk'uko ubu navuga nti ubu mbaye "umushi" , "umubamileke" cyangwa "umuluba". Cyangwa nti (races ntizibaho) kuva ubu mbaye "umuzungu"!. (Janvier)Ntabwo ushobora gufata icyemezo wenyine ngo ubaye umushi, umubamileke cyangwa umuluba. Bakwita umusazi. Kuki? Kubera ko abashi bafite agace batuyemo, bavuga ururimi shi, bafite imico n'imyifatire bihariye ibaranga (culture, moeurs et coutumes shi). Ababamileke nabo ni uko, abaluba nabo ni uko. Kuba umuzungu ni ibara ry'uruhu, urumva ko bidashoboka ko wowe wavuga ngo uretse kuba umwirabura ubaye umuzungu kandi ugifite uruhu rwirabura.Mu moko nyarwanda, cyane cyane Hutu na Tutsi, nta bimenyetso byihariwe (ururimi, aho batuye, imico n'imyifatire (culture), ndetse n'isura cyangwa ikimero) byihariwe n'ubwoko bumwe badasangiye n'abandi bo mu bundi bwoko. Niba nibutse neza umwanditsi witwa Sehene yaranditse ati: Il y a des tutsis qui ressemblent à des hutus et des hutus qui ressemblent à des tutsis. Rwose Janvier, niba ibyo bimenyetso byihariwe n'ubwoko bumwe bihari, bimbwire kuko njye nabishakishije kuva muri za 92 kandi kugeza ubu sindabibona.Ibi ntabwo ari ukuvuga ko nta bwoko buriho mu Rwanda. Mu gihe hari abantu bavuga ko ari abahutu, abandi bakavuga ko ari abatutsi ni ukuvuga ko ubwoko buriho ni ubwo umuntu adashobora kubusobanura akurikije ibimenyetso bigaragara (critères objectifs). Ubwoko mu Rwanda, c'est fait de société que l'on ne peut ignorer. Ikibazo ntabwo ari ubwoko ubwabwo, ahubwo ni uko twabwitwayemo kugeza amagingo aya. Murabona ko uko twabwitwayemo byatubyariye imibabaro irenze kamere.Mbona rero kwitwara mu moko yacu nk'uko twitwara mu madini yacu byadufasha kubana mu mahoro kandi n'ubwoko butavuyeho, buhoro buhoro bikazagera igihe ubwoko butagifite ingaruka ku munyarwanda.Reka mbasetse: Ejo hashize ku wa gatanu tariki ya 17-06-2016 nahuye n'umu-Notaire. Arambaza ati:-Ukomoka he?-nkomka mu Rwanda.-Ese wambwira aho igitandukanya abahutu n'abatutsi. Ni intara batuyemo? Ese ni urulimi muvuga? Ese ni umuco (culture)?-Ibyo byose turabisangiye.-None se ni AMADINI?_Oya, ntabwo ari amadini ariko bisa nkayo. Naraye mbyanditseho.Umuti w'ikibazo cy'ubwoko mu Rwanda, ni uko twebwe abaturage twareka kugendera ku bwoko, tukangira umutegetsi kutwemerera ubwoko. Nibyo navuze ko ethnie politique igomba gucika. Mu gihe twebwe abaturage tukigendera ku bwoko, ntakabuza umutegetsi azakoresha ubwoko kugira ngo agere ku butegetsi, cyangwa se aburambeho. Ni murebe nk'aha twahungiye mu mahanga. Aho kugira ngo twese twumve ko turi impunzi noneho dushyirehamwe turwanye icyatumye duhunga, ahubwo bamwe baravuga ngo: turi impunzi ariko turi abatutsi, abandi nabo bati: turi impunzi ariko turi abahutu. Ngaho aho ikibazo kiri. Ikibazo ntabwo ari abategetsi bacu, ikibazo ni imyifatire yacu nk'abaturage.Mukomere, dukomeze dusangire ijambo.Guillaume MurereOn Friday, June 17, 2016 1:48 AM, "Habyalimana Janvier janvierhabyara@yahoo.com [Democracy_Human_Rights]" <Democracy_Human_Rights@yahoogroupes.fr> wrote:
Netters,Ku byerekeye amoko y'i Rwanda, G. Murere hari aho yanditse ati:"... Mbese twabyitwaramo nk'uko twitwara mu madini: Umuntu ahitamo idini ashaka, akarihindura igihe ashakiye ..."Ari uko bimeze, umuntu yakwibaza ati kuki Premier Ministre Murekezi atahitamo ubwoko(idini) ashaka?Ureste ko bitoroshye: ntabwo umuhutu yavuga ngo kuva ubu mbaye umututsi ngo bishoboke.Cyangwa ngo umututsi ahinduke umutwa.Ni nk'uko ubu navuga nti ubu mbaye "umushi" , "umubamileke" cyangwa "umuluba". Cyangwa nti (races ntizibaho) kuva ubu mbaye "umuzungu"!. Nti bishoboka.Mugire amahoro.Janvier.On Thursday, June 16, 2016 4:06 PM, "Sebatware André abatware@yahoo.fr [Democracy_Human_Rights]" <Democracy_Human_Rights@yahoogroupes.fr> wrote:
Ubututsi bwa Makuza, ni Rizinde akimara kuba Maneko nyuma ya Coup d'Etat ya korewe Président Kayibanda, wagiye gucukumbura mu mafishi y'abakozi bo hambere asanga Makuza baranditse ko ari umututsi, ariko ibyo numvise bavuga, sinabihagazeho, ngo bamuciye amafaranga (amende) ya falsification des documents, noneho bamusubiza ubuhutu bwe, et non ubututsi. Icyo nemeza nuko ari muri Repubrika yambere ari n'iya kabiri, Anastase Makuza yarazwi ko ari umuhutu.
De : "Guillaume Murere murere_guillaume@yahoo.ca [Democracy_Human_Rights]" <Democracy_Human_Rights@yahoogroupes.fr>
À : "Democracy_Human_Rights@yahoogroupes.fr" <Democracy_Human_Rights@yahoogroupes.fr>
Envoyé le : Jeudi 16 juin 2016 12h49
Objet : Re: *DHR* ABANYAPOLITIKI BISOBANURA NGO BIKUREHO UBUHUTU BAZAMARISHA BENE WABO NABO BATISIZE.
Uko nakomeje kubitekerezaho kuva muri za 92, nasanze ubwoko nyarwanda buri ugutatu. Reka mbibasubiriremo.1. Hari ubwoko umuntu yumva arimo (ethnie auto-identitaire)Ubu ni ubwoko umuntu ababyeyi cyangwa abaturanyi baba baramubwiye ko arimo, umuntu akabifata nk'ihame. Wamubaza uti: Ubwoko bwawe ni ubuhe, akagusubiza ati: 'Ndi umuhutu', 'ndi umututsi' cyangwa 'ndi umutwa' kandi yenda atazi n'icyo ubwo bwoko yumva arimo buvuga. Ubu bwoko umuntu yumva arimo nta kamaro kuko ntacyo buguha nta nicyo bugutwara.2. Hari ubwoko abaturanyi (l'environnement) bakubonamo (ethnie sociale).Ubu ni ubwoko abo muri kumwe bagutwerera: 'Kanaka ni umuhutu', 'Kanaka ni umututsi' cyangwa 'Kanaka ni umuhutu', 'Kanaka ni umututsi'. Ubu bwoko umuntu atwererwa n'abaturanyi bushobora kuba buhuye n'ubwoko umuntu yumva arimo cyangwa se bitandukanye. Ubu nibwo bwoko bw'ibanze cyane cyane mu gihe cy'imidugararo. Ubwoko abaturanyi bagutwerera nibwo umuntu azira. Iyi niyo mpamvu nkoresha amagambo 'uzwi nk'umuhutu (réputé hutu)', 'uzwi nk'umututsi (réputé tutsi)', 'uzwi nk'umutwa (réputé twa)'.3. Hari ubwoko umunyagitugu agutwerera (ethnie politique)Ubu ni ubwoko umunyagitugu akwemerera mu nyungu ze za politiki. Nk'urugero, Kagame, mu nyungu ze yahisemo gukoresha inyito ya 'Jenoside yakorewe abatutsi'. Ni ukuvuga ko abo Kagame yemeye nk'abatutsi bahita baba abacikacumu (victimes), abandi bakajya mu mukumba w'aba-jenosideri cyangwa se abashobora kuba abajenosideri.Nka buriya uriya ngirwa Premier Ministre Murekezi uherutse kuvuga ko ari umututsi, Kagame atabimwemereye ntacyo byamumarira. Urundi rugero: Makuza Anastase, wari umuparimehutu ukomeye, twakuze tuzi ko ari umuhutu, ariko nyuma, ubutegetsi bwa Habyarimana bwaje kumurega ko yabeshye ko ari umuhutu kandi ahubwo ari umututsi. Bamuciriye urubanza, bamusubiza irangamuntu yanditsemo tutsi,ndetse bamuca n'amafaranga.Ubu bwoko umutegetsi yemerera umuntu nibwo cyane cyane umuntu azira.Mboneyeho kwibutsa ko njye nemera 'Jenoside yakorewe (abazwi nk') abatutsi bari imbere mu gihugu'.TWABYIFATAMO DUTEKo umuntu yiyita umuhutu, umututsi cyanwa umutwa ntacyo bitwaye, ni uburenganzira bwe bwa muntu. Tugomba, dukwiriye kubimwemerera, tukabimwubahira, ntawe ukwiriye kubimugishaho impaka.Twebwe abaturage, dukwiriye kwirinda gutwerera abantu ubwoko kuko muri buriya bwoko bufite ibyasha (connotations négatives). Iyo umuntu atwereye undi ubwoko aba amuteye bya byasha, akamubonamo bya byasha aho kumubonamo umuntu. Utwerera umuntu ubwoko aba amwambuye ubumuntu. Kizito Mihigo araririmba ati: 'Ndi umunyarwanda ijye ibanzirizwa na ndi umuntu'. Ahogutwerera umuntu ubwoko, ujye umubaza akubwire ubwoko yumva arimo.Biriya abanyagitugu bacagura abaturage bakurikije amoko byari bikwiriye gucika. Hari hakwiriye kujyaho itegeko ribuza amashyirahamwe rusange (organisations publiques), uhereye kuri Leta ubwayo, gucagura abanyarwanda hakurikijwe amoko.Muri make mbona ubwoko twari dukwiriye kuburekera umuntu ku giti cye bukaba du domaine privé, nyirabwo akabukoresha icyo ashaka. Mbese twabyitwaramo nk'uko twitwara mu madini: Umuntu ahitamo idini ashaka, akarihindura igihe ashakiye, kandi amategeko abuza amashyirahamwe rusange gucagura abantu hakurikijwe amadini.Mugire amahoro n'ubugingo.Guillaume MurereOn Thursday, June 16, 2016 4:36 AM, "mikeno carlos mikenocarlos@yahoo.com [Democracy_Human_Rights]" <Democracy_Human_Rights@yahoogroupes.fr> wrote:
Peace wo ku Ntabaza,Aya ni amatiku uzanye hano kuko ntaho Padiri yakosheje avuga uwo ariwe. Et puis nkwibutse ko iturufu yubuhutu yabaye butuyu! Compris?Nuwabwihakana bitewe nibihe turimo jye namwumva.Nabatutsi bihakanye ubututsi selon les situations ariko ntibyababujije kubugumana ku mutima...ubwooko nubwo ku mutima. Compris?On Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:55 AM, "innocent_twagiramungu Innocent_twagiramungu@yahoo.fr [Democracy_Human_Rights]" <Democracy_Human_Rights@yahoogroupes.fr> wrote:
ABANYAPOLITIKI BIRIRWA BISOBANURA NGO BIKUREHO UBUHUTU NIBO BAZAMARISHA BENE WABO NABO BATISIZE. http://intabaza.com/?p=938
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- I have loved justice and hated iniquity: therefore I die in exile.
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